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Mordakai · Sep 20, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Red1086

Honestly, I am a bit disappointed about the new Henc.. "Heroes". This is a MMO, you should buy it to play with other real people. If you want to play with customizable henchmen, play a normal RPG. I am all for doing what you want an the like(was an avid defender of non-RPers in RP prefered servers in EQ2), but really now, online games should help you meet other people and become friends, not hide in the corner with your henchies blocking you from view.

What elitist crap. The worst thing about Guild Wars (IMO), is waiting around for PUGS to form. If Heros help alleviate that (and they should), then it's a good thing.

This isn't "all or nothing." As I understand, you can have a max of 3 heroes with you. So, in a 8 man mission, you could go with:

all henchies (you can do that now, so your complete argument is moot)

henchies and Heroes

Real people, henchies and heroes

Real people and just heroes

Real people and just henchies (can do now)

All Real People (can do now)

Heroes just give more options, they don't eliminate any of the old options.

And if you don't want to adventure with heroes, start a Group that won't allow heroes!

Dazzler · Sep 20, 2006, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

It's already been confirmed like a month ago it has the same slot set up as Factions +1 with prerelease bonus. pay attention >_<

Does that mean that Nightfall gives 2 new slots, and if you get the pre-release for another it means a total of 3 extra slots? That's kewl.

I for one love the new dances. The male paragon looks very bird like which may be why they ripped it from MJ. And I like the female dervish. I have the first 2 CE's and am definately getting this CE also. It's packed with content!

And the new hero system looks kick butt. I was going to make a Mo/D for my first char to make it easy to get in PUGs since most people are going to be P/* or D/*. But with this hero system, I imagine most people will have their own Hero monk and so it will be easy to form 6 man pugs + 2 monk heroes for healing so now we all have the freedom to play what we want and still get a group. It's gonna be GREAT!

I never really dug Factions but Nightfall looks like a real winner to me.

gabrial heart · Sep 20, 2006, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

This isn't proof that Assassin/Ritualist armors will be available in Nightfall. ArenaNet only added unique armor in order to allow Assassin/Ritualist heroes to be playable in Hero vs. Hero PvP.

I'll be surprised if they add multiple armor sets in Nightfall. (They'll probably just add that one armor.)

Well it does say they are getting new skills, so I'm sure they will be getting armor too. What i think won't happen is having the ability to make an assasin or rit if you don't own factions.

Mordakai · Sep 20, 2006, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

What i think won't happen is having the ability to make an assasin or rit if you don't own factions.

No, your right, that will NOT happen. That would defeat a major selling point of each chapter: unique classes to that Chapter.

natuxatu · Sep 20, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

I don't think anyone mentioned this yet. But it appears at least that they added lighter skin ect to the classes for those that were unhappy about having to create a very african looking character. I'm just basing that on the armor that they are showing with the character models.

prism2525 · Sep 20, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Ok some thought on heroes/drops. Do the heroes keep the drops assigned to them or can you take them yourself (along with gold etc)? After all, if you have to dress, arm and buy skills for 4 chars at once I think it would be fair to be able to get all the gold yourself.

Come to think of it, to make 15k armor for 4 chars (don't ask, ppl WILL do it and FoW armor too) will cost you 15x20 which make a total of 300k + materials. If, as I take it, each char will have his/her own 3 heroes, that makes a total of 3000k + materials for all 10 professions and their heroes. Of course some of this cost is already paid as many already have their 15k armor on chars but it still remains a VERY costly.

I would L O V E it if all heroes had their own backpack, pouch, and bags. It would almost enable me to clear an area and take all the loot without having to salvage 90% of it.

I really hope that heroes will be able to travel with you to tyria and cantha (if you have them, that is).

Lastly: About the sig of illusions: BROKEN imo. do you realize that having 16 illusion magic will potentially make ANY spell you want at level 16? A fast-casted meteor shower of 119 fire dmg is easy to do. I imagine it having a long recharge though (45 seconds or so) but meteor shower has a recharge of 60 and, with echo/arcane echo and mantra of inscriptions that would OWN. For a R/Me or Me/R:
Signet of Illusions + Oath shot. Nuff said.

PS: Make the heroes rebel if bot-like behaviour is made by the human

Loviatar · Sep 20, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Red1086

Honestly, I am a bit disappointed about the new Henc.. "Heroes". This is a MMO, you should buy it to play with other real people.

that is your opinion and the saying about opinions applies here

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If you want to play with customizable henchmen, play a normal RPG.

funny that one of the Anet people stated flatly that GW could be played like a regular RPG except it was online and you had the OPTION to play with friends as well

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I am all for doing what you want

except you say we shouldnt play as we want to..........hypocrite

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but really now, online games should help you meet other people and become friends, not hide in the corner with your henchies blocking you from view.

with elitest tell me how to play the game your way friends........who needs enemies?

another good reason for better henchies who dont tell me how i should have fun their way

Knightsaber Sith · Sep 20, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by Dazzler

Does that mean that Nightfall gives 2 new slots, and if you get the pre-release for another it means a total of 3 extra slots? That's kewl.

yes...

Solar_Takfar · Sep 20, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by prism2525

Signet of Illusions + Oath shot. Nuff said.

Oath shot is not a spell.

I wonder if the HR/HCT mods in illusion weapons will apply to the non-illusion spells cast a illusion level?

Mordakai · Sep 20, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by prism2525

Lastly: About the sig of illusions: BROKEN imo. do you realize that having 16 illusion magic will potentially make ANY spell you want at level 16? A fast-casted meteor shower of 119 fire dmg is easy to do. I imagine it having a long recharge though (45 seconds or so) but meteor shower has a recharge of 60 and, with echo/arcane echo and mantra of inscriptions that would OWN.

So? That's the point of the Sig, to give any spell you choose Level 16. It only effects one spell, so it seems it's already limited.

It's probably going to be an Elite, anyway...

Seems like a perfect Mesmer spell to me.

neocodex · Sep 20, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

I think they will since Illusion attribute is used when casting the spell.

scrinner · Sep 20, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

My eyes... they havent seen more sexier armor .. then ever!! I like the warriors they showed but.. im still keeping my 15k grotto

The dervish armor is nice... is the first character on the third line an ele? Otherwise im glad i didnt play much of my ele and can safely delete it. Then i can create a female and buy that armor

Knightsaber Sith · Sep 20, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00

That's a necro.

scrinner · Sep 20, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

Damit. Well glad i dont have a necro then. Just another question. Will we be able to bring our heroes into PUGS? I mean there is a very good chance another person in the PUg with have the same hero customised in the other way. Can a Dev Comment on this? Im assuming for now that itll be the leaders heroes and not the other peoples hero.

Knightsaber Sith · Sep 20, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Yes. It has beens said that two people can bring all three of their heroes and make a full team of 8.

SnipiousMax · Sep 20, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

I expected everything else, I'm just glad they decided to add skills to the Faction Professions. That alone makes me feel better about the whole thing.

Hyaon · Sep 20, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24

EDITED: Thank god Varesh is in fact a hot dervish! \o\

prism2525 · Sep 20, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Solar_Takfar

Oath shot is not a spell.

I wonder if the HR/HCT mods in illusion weapons will apply to the non-illusion spells cast a illusion level?

I meant you use oath shot to recharge the signet. duh.

About the cast/rech, idk i'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

So? That's the point of the Sig, to give any spell you choose Level 16. It only effects one spell, so it seems it's already limited.

It's probably going to be an Elite, anyway...

Seems like a perfect Mesmer spell to me.

Still very powerful. Even if it is elite, there are loads of powerful spells. Mesmers will be able to use just about any spell at lv 16.

And it's not a spell

Red1086 · Sep 20, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Haha, I appreciate everyone getting pissed at my opinion and thoughts. I wasn't saying people had to play with other people, I was just saying I am missing the point of buying an MMO then. So, am I really a hypocrite? No, do it anyway, it was just an opinion. Sheesh, don't get your hear broken over a lame MMO(again my opinion, not fact... silly GW fan boys/elitests).

Eh, whatever, if you deciede you don't like me cause I voiced an opinion, I guess you should move to some primative country so you can shoot people for it.

Again, I wasn't saying you have to play with real people, just isn't that why MMO's were made? It just seems like a step backwards IN MY OPINION!(not elitest bullshit that people have been saying about me.)

Mordakai · Sep 20, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

/ignoring Red1086 who's just trolling at this point

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Originally Posted by prism2525

Still very powerful. Even if it is elite, there are loads of powerful spells. Mesmers will be able to use just about any spell at lv 16.

Even if it is Elite, how about this: Arcane Mimicry + Sig. of Illusion + Copied Elite = lev. 16 Elite of any Professsion.